Cherry that has a green saddle

TKD · Post by **TKD** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:43 pm

Hi everyone,

I have a cherry that has a green saddle... not a yellow one.
Any ideas why?

This batch of cherries is in a bare bottom tote, with java fern attached to rocks.

They have not been fed for the fast month as it was over run with algae.
Consequently most if not all of the females have lost their colour. I have three that are berried however, with normal yellow eggs. They all have grown quite a bit since being put in there.

AKA They are doing well....

They will now be fed twice a week with an algae wafer.

So why the green saddle?????

TKD
PS The green is similar to the one that is found in the Halocaridina rubra (opae ula) in the following thread.
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Newjohn · Post by **Newjohn** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:43 am

Hi TDK

I have had RCS with " Greenish Saddles " before.

Come to find out, I had a few "WILD" Shrimp, Mixed in with the RCS.

It has taken me around 1 year to sort the wild types out, and by doing this , I have lowerd the number GREENISH Saddles.

John

TKD · Post by **TKD** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:33 am

Interesting... all my cheries have been, well cherry colored

TKD

yoink · Post by **yoink** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 1:15 pm

I have the same experience. I saw one cherry with green eggs, most of the babies were these wild type cherrys. I've sperated them and they are reproducing mostly brownish shrimp now. These shrimp have greenish eggs too.

Newjohn · Post by **Newjohn** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:27 am

Hi TDK

Here are 3 photos ,
Of what became of my Cherry Red Shrimp that were carring
green to greenish brown eggs.

This is the 3rd generation, of just breeding the palest males, and the females that carried green eggs.

They are still throwing a few Cherries.

They almost look like the offspring of the so-called " Blue" Shrimp .

When they are showing good color, they have stripes similar to the TIGER Shrimp.
The last photo , You can see alittle of this.

I will try to get/post a better picture of this.

John

tapmxt1 · Post by **tapmxt1** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:09 am

Interesting work. However it only says: if one selectively breeds pale shrimps, he/she may get cherry red shrimps with no much red color. Does it necessarily mean: "pale" cherry red shrimp is closer to a "wild' shrimp? Or can it (pale feature) just be a contamination with other close species? Or can it just be a color varivation within cherry red shrimps (just like angelfish, you see gold, silver. black, koi, etc. But in a word, they are all angelfish)?

I have been trying to find some description about "wild cherry red shrimps".

I have kept angelfish for years. For angelfish (as well as discus), you introduce wild caught fish into your line in order to improve (or add) certain features. I am just wondering if wild cherry red shrimps have any "nice" feature that the "domestic" ones do not have (or have lost)?

For cherry red shrimps, another thing I am keeping an eye on is: albino. I have read another thread about this topic. The lucky one found a "red eye" cherry red shrimp

. I have been examining through thousand of cherry red shrimps and still keep my fingers crossed that I will find a red eye shrimp soon

tapmxt1 · Post by **tapmxt1** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:15 am

One thing I forgot to mention is: I had kept cherry red shrimps in tanks with white (bright white color) sand in the past. The females did not show much red color (just like the one in the photo -- very pale and transparent). But after they were moved to a tank with black gravel (as they got pregnant and moved to a holding tank), they actually got the color back. Their color became deeper as they became older.

Neonshrimp · Post by **Neonshrimp** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:00 am

I have also found that the substrate plays a role in the color of my cherry red shrimp. The ones in the dark substrate are much more red.

Newjohn · Post by **Newjohn** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:27 am

tapmxt1

Just as the Snowball Shrimp, is a color variation of the wild Neocaridina cf. Zhagjiajiensis.

The Red Cherry Shrimp is a color variation of some wild form Neocaridina Denticulata Sinensis.

The Crystal Red Shrimp is a color variation of the Bee Shrimp.
Plus there is a Crystal Black.

So there could be other color variation of Denticulata Sinensis.

This hobby is still young, So there will be alot of new color variations to be found.

In another thread, badflash said, he has Orange and Green Shrimp
offspring from what was sold as Red Cherry Shrimp.

As for the pictures above.
Those Shrimp are that color, or lack of, No matter what substrate they are in with.

John

tapmxt1 · Post by **tapmxt1** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:39 am

Crystal red shrimps were from the bee shrimps. Japanese have done an excellent job in the last years to selectively breed them and now there is solid white ones. My posting in another thread about the blue line: I had read a few months ago that Japanese had successfully bred a blue line and are working on further stablize the gene... just think about they even come up a formula to calculate #days CRS eggs hatch (and quote accurate in my own experience)... they deserve the credit

I guess no same amount of efforts have been devoted in cherry red shrimps (RCS). Yes, I have seen some color variartions on RCS myself. One thing I had tried but gave up (Ok, ... because I do not have the same patience that Japanese have) was: there are female RCS that start with red. But as they grow older they turn into purple-red or dark purple-red. I thought if selectively breed the ones with more "blue or purple", maybe... there is a chance to isolate a blue/purple RCS line.

By the way, I also had read people in Taiwan go to some remote (unpoluted) stream/river source to collect cherry red shrimps. I am just wondering if these wild-collected RCS have any "unusual" features.

badflash · Post by **badflash** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:56 am

tapmxt1 wrote:By the way, I also had read people in Taiwan go to some remote (unpoluted) stream/river source to collect cherry red shrimps. I am just wondering if these wild-collected RCS have any "unusual" features.

I think this is a myth. Red shrimp would stand out and be gobbled up by just about anything that like shrimp. RCS were selectively bred.

Newjohn · Post by **Newjohn** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:08 am

I like to read up , as much as possible, about Shrimp.
But, with so little information in english , it is very hard for me.

I have read alot of post on other web-sites.
Like " I have Heard " They could be true or just rumor's.
Unless this person has collected it themselves, I will wait for more information, before I say Yea or Nay.

I know in the wild, that the odd balls "Albino" or other , not normal colors.
Are the first to get eaten. They are the easiest to find.

So as the hobby growes, I am sure that there will be more color variations
found or worked on by other hobbiest, both, hear in the states, and acrossed the big blue,
Sorry I forgot about the people to the north "Canada".

Neonshrimp · Post by **Neonshrimp** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:30 pm

I think this is a myth. Red shrimp would stand out and be gobbled up by just about anything that like shrimp. RCS were selectively bred.

I agree with badflash on this subject. But whenever there is a new shrimp or variation discovered it is great to hear about it on the forum. Thanks for sharing guys

tapmxt1 · Post by **tapmxt1** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:04 am

In Taiwan, there are shrimps (the direct translation of the name is: black-shell-shrimp) which are sold in fish shop as "feeders". They have a lot of color variation from light gray - brown - to dark black – affected by the color of surrounding.

If these guys were collecting these black-shell-shrimps, they would not say “red cherry shrimps”. So they had collected the “red” ones in some streams (and in quantity).

Well, to see is to believe. Next time I will see if I can make time to explore those streams to see the red shrimps with my own eyes when I have a chance to Taiwan.

Neonshrimp · Post by **Neonshrimp** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:30 am

In Taiwan, there are shrimps (the direct translation of the name is: black-shell-shrimp) which are sold in fish shop as "feeders". They have a lot of color variation from light gray - brown - to dark black – affected by the color of surrounding.

That is very interesting as some hobbyist outside of Taiwan search for dark colored shrimp, especially pure black shrimp. If you do go to the streams please tell us what variations you are able to find.

Thanks.