Tanks with no filtration

SilvrStar7 · Post by **SilvrStar7** » Wed May 10, 2006 10:44 am

A 10 gallon is not practical for me, believe it or not. My room is filled with tanks already, and any empty ones are waiting for my baby geckos to hatch n about a week. They don't make some kind of birth control for shrimp, do they?

~Laura

Post by **Mustafa** » Wed May 10, 2006 11:06 am

SilvrStar7 wrote:They don't make some kind of birth control for shrimp, do they?
~Laura

They do. It's called "less food."

rymeyer · Post by **rymeyer** » Wed May 10, 2006 11:24 am

The guy I got my original cherry shrimp from is Vinnymac, and he wrote this article (http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/Che ... d-Care/23/) in which he says that you can keep 100-150 cherry shrimp in a 10 gallon tank with 30% weekly water changes. If that's the case, you should be able to keep a few shrimp safely in a well-planted 2-liter bottle. Sure, they might do better in a 10 gallon tank. They might do even better in a 100 gallon tank, and a house cat or dog might also do better on a farm. It doesn't mean they won't be happy living in a house.

Post by **Mustafa** » Wed May 10, 2006 12:21 pm

Some people just don't want to get it. You go ahead and do it rymeyer. I'm sure you will have healthy shrimp and a thriving shrimp population in no time. Also, put a few dogs in a hermetically sealed room, throw food into that room, let the dogs crap all over the place, aerosol that crap in the air so that the dogs have to breathe it in, and only change 30% of the air (and say 5% of the excrements...if that) per week and see how long they will stay healthy.

You can't take a shrimp out on a leash so it can do it's "business" outside or provide a litter box (which you clean) for the shrimp as you do for cats. So, this kind of comparison is completely nonsense.

You just go ahead and ignore all the information provided on this site and follow some description on a planted tank website.

We, here (including myself), obviously don't have any idea about shrimp and no experience with them and this is NOT a specialized shrimp website. So, feel free to ignore all the experience and information provided by all the people contributing to this website and forum. I am sure you will do fine. And yes, try keeping 150 adult shrimp in a 10 gallon and try to get by with 30% a week water changes. Good luck! I'm sure you will do great and have 1000 shrimp in that tank in no time.

Excuse my sarcastic "undertone", but my buttons get pushed when some newby (just registered) comes along, ignores everything on this website and forum, provides some link to a planted tank website and claims we have it all wrong without providing any factual or logical reason besides speculation and hearsay.

Shrimp&Snails · Post by **Shrimp&Snails** » Wed May 10, 2006 12:50 pm

God i'm sorry but I really hate it when people treat living creatures this way.

Why don't you just squash them to a pulp before putting them in a 2 liter bottle.....they will suffer less that way.

Try researching next time before you buy anything so you don't have to moan when they reproduce so much and you'll be able to provide the correct living conditions for them!

fish newb · Post by **fish newb** » Wed May 10, 2006 3:03 pm

Mustafa wrote:
You just go ahead and ignore all the information provided on this site and follow some description on a planted tank website. We, here (including myself), obviously don't have any idea about shrimp and no experience with them and this is NOT a specialized shrimp website. So, feel free to ignore all the experience and information provided by all the people contributing to this website and forum. I am sure you will do fine. And yes, try keeping 150 adult shrimp in a 10 gallon and try to get by with 30% a week water changes. Good luck! I'm sure you will do great and have 1000 shrimp in that tank in no time.

now i am part of TPT and it is a great forum. i dont want this to become a HUGE argument. but i want to say that vinnimac, the guy who wrote that is an incredible shrimp breeder. he keeps them in FULLY planted tank with exelent filtration. he does frequent waterchanges. feeds his shrimp food as well as having them in a planted tank. i think that i know where you are coming from... but you from what i know do not know vinni. he doesnt "get by" that way. his shrimp are kept in a 36g and another one for his crs. he also is just giving a guideline. its also including with a fully planted tank with good water changes and matenence every week. he did not suggest the 2L thing. i personally think that if done right the 2l could work. but the 10g tank is much better. also remember the bio load of cherry shrimp. its not much. if you go to -> http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/shrim ... hrimp.html

you will see the pictures of his tank and stuff. he is not suggesting harsh stuff.

and with some things... i would trust TPT on shrimp advise over petshrimp. but not toooooo many maybe one or two issuses but generally if there is a shrimp forum... well thats mainly shrimpcrazy peoplE! so they know what they are talking about.

TPT is planted tank forum so generally they are more twards planted tnaks but shrimp are great in tanks so there is a good amount of focus over there on shrimp and inverts!

just my 10c

- fish newb

rymeyer · Post by **rymeyer** » Wed May 10, 2006 3:04 pm

I never claimed to be an expert. I'm definitely not. I also never claimed that I know more than anyone else on this site or that any of you don't know what you are talking about. Moreover, I never said that I have shrimp in a 2-liter bottle, nor did I say that I planned to do it. And the last thing that I wanted to do was get in a nasty argument with anyone on the site, let alone the moderator. I'm not calling anyone names or being rude. However, it did seem like this would be a good forum to talk about different ideas, and the planted 2-liter bottle idea seemed interesting to me. Apparently no one has done it, so it deserved some back and forth dialog. Forgive me for trying to discuss it by voicing ideas and opinions.

Freshwater shrimpkeeping is a relatively new hobby, and there is a lot to learn about it. That's obvious from the differences in opinion that you see on both this site and others. There are things about freshwater fish and shrimp that know one knows, although there are certainly people who know a lot more than others. That being said, I don't think anyone benefits from people being so ready to tell others that they are being cruel to animals, ignorant, etc. It's not as if SlvrStar7 or myself suggested doing anything that would intentionally hurt shrimp animals. She put out an idea, and I tried to discuss it. That was it.

I don't think that anything I did demanded insults and nasty sarcasm. I certainly respect the information that I've got from this site and the various posters. I read everything I could on this site and others before I bought my cherry shrimp, and I did the same before buying my C. patzcuarensis since this is one of the few sites that talks about them at all. What I don't respect is all of the venom unleashed for merely trying to talk about whether something might be possible. Anyone, regardless of how long they have been a registered user of the site, should be able to talk politely with others without having to worry about other users and the moderator attacking them.

If I came on here and told you that I had actually done something that was cruel to shrimp and that I planned to repeat it, that would be entirely different. All I did was try to talk about an idea, voice some opinions, and tell you what I thought based on what I had read elsewhere and learned myself through experience. So long as I did that rationally and courteously, which I did, no one should have gotten angry or taken offense, regardless of whether I'm new to the site or hobby.

So, thanks for all of the information and opinions, and I apologize for trying to talk about a new idea.

rymeyer · Post by **rymeyer** » Wed May 10, 2006 3:14 pm

I didn't want this to become a huge argument either, and I didn't expect so much controversy. I do think that there is room for competing opinions though, and hope that my last post doesn't get me kicked off the forums. I just felt like I needed to stick up for myself and explain what I was trying to do.

fish newb · Post by **fish newb** » Wed May 10, 2006 3:14 pm

i also want to add that i cant believe how this turned out to become so nasty.

if anyone i would think mustafa the moderator and a STRICT one would have responded that way. i will now think before i post things here especially new ideas... maybe ill just "stay at my planted tank sight" because it seems as if those people are polite and have respect for new ideas.

i also see how the mod came off but really... thats no way to respond also not even knowing vinnymac. i believe he is a member here too....

i hope everyone can just make up and continue a discussion like a bunch of mature people. this isnt first grade guys/gals

-=- fish newb -=-

also the 2L bottle i am willing to bet will work since i have read about it on TPT that some people had to do it for school. they put some substraight from their established tank and then put some easy growing plants and moss. then they put in around 5 shrimp. some of the 2Ls are a few years old now and still going strong! so there is nothing wrong with it. it might be a moral thing to people tho.

Post by **Mustafa** » Wed May 10, 2006 5:47 pm

rymeyer wrote: So long as I did that rationally and courteously, which I did.

That's the point. It was everything else but rational. "Rational" would mean that you speak from 1. experience 2. consider the experiences of much more experienced people (me and others on this forum) 3. do not speculate 4. do not use cats and dogs living in people's houses as a reason why shrimp should/could be kept in 2 liter bottles. If you think all of this is "rational" then I don't know what to tell you.

I am not just the admin of this forum but the owner of this whole website and it's in my, and the hobby's, best interest to promote the *sensible* keeping AND breeding of shrimp instead of promoting shrimp as curious items to put into a 2 liter bottle and display to friends: "Oh look, how neat, huh?" Hence I can decide that I do not want to promote something like that here and take action accordingly. What I want to promote on this website is the establishment of BREEDING populations in captivity, so that the shrimp hobby can grow and the natural populations of these shrimp do not get depleted. After all, many shrimp are actually endangered although most of them do not seem to be considered important enough to be on any red lists. Keeping shrimp in 2 liter bottles will do nothing toward that purpose. I'm working off my tail here to make all kinds of information available, so that others can start breeding their shrimp. I could just keep the information for myself, breed all the shrimp I want and be the sole supplier of difficult to breed shrimp until others figure it out somehow in a few years, but I refuse to go that route because it's bad for the hobby (just like 2 liter bottles).

There is no reason to ban you. Only people like "fish newb" who break the rules right with their first post (asking about where to buy animals), keep insisting that they had no idea about that rule (despite the fact that it's posted right at the front page), receive a warning as a result, and act like a lunatic in a different thread today get banned.

You had some totally irrational arguments and ignored all the information on this website that should have indicated to you that a 2 liter bottle would make a poor shrimp home and received a reply accordingly, but that alone won't get you banned. Your "i don't think I did anything wrong" attitude will just make you more and more uncomfortable here as you will not get many replies to your posts with such an attitude. If people cannot accept the rules of this forum, the purpose of this website and its mission, then there are quite a few other forums out there that will make you feel right at home and shower you with love. Feel free to join them.

In any case, enough said about this. Any further discussion is a waste of time. Hence, this thread is closed and I don't want to hear anything else about this.