Shrimps from China

Post by **Mustafa** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 4:52 am

Hi Becky!

Sorry to hear about the death of your Tiger Shrimp, but that is, unfortunately, a common occurence with shrimp kept under bad conditions before sale. The people you bought them from were probably keeping hundreds or thousands of them in the same tank (before transferring some of them to their sales tanks). Or, the wholesaler they bought the shrimp from kept them under bad conditions. Either way, the shrimp were probably pre-damaged already.

I hope your remaining Tiger Shrimp survive and, with some luck, you might get some offspring if they turn out to be male and female.

Thanks for the "treasure map" by the way.

It will be a while until I can make it to Hong Kong, but I'll definitely check out that place. If you ever go there yourself and catch some shrimp, make sure you take some pictures. I am very interested in wild shrimp from that area.

Take care,
Mustafa

retardo · Post by **retardo** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:16 am

beckypyyeung wrote:Thanks a lot Mustafa !

I remember you mentioned you would like to get some wild shrimps. I've got this piece of information from a Hong Kong website :

Get off at May King Garden in Tsing Yi
Straight ahead to Tsing Yi Technology
10 minutes walk
Then see the second brook
Hundreds of tiny shrimps are in there

Well, that sounds like a treasure map.

sounds like a gold mine! it would be great if we had something similar here in California, USA, but i haven't really heard of any. there might be some in the marshes around this locale, but i haven't heard of any... and even then, i'm not sure if it's legal to harvest. how i'd love to be in HK and go treasure huntin'. thanks for the tip... mb when i go there someday, i'll check it out.

-r

beckypyyeung · Post by **beckypyyeung** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 2:06 am

Hi Mustafa,

Thanks again for the information. In fact, those shrimps were ready in bags (10 shrimps each bag). I think I shouldn't buy shrimps in this kind of packaging again.

I do hope the two tiger survivors will reproduce some little tigers. I've tried to understand how to tell their gender as mentioned in this website, but I still can't differentiate between male and female.

Hi Retardo and all shrimp friends here,

I'm so sorry that I forgot it's illegal to net wild shrimps or fish here in Hong Kong.

retardo · Post by **retardo** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:39 pm

beckypyyeung wrote: it's illegal to net wild shrimps or fish here in Hong Kong.

bummer! oh, well, i'll go and take a look still tho, just to see what's there.

-r

Post by **Mustafa** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 4:08 pm

Hi Becky!

beckypyyeung wrote:Hi Mustafa,

Thanks again for the information. In fact, those shrimps were ready in bags (10 shrimps each bag). I think I shouldn't buy shrimps in this kind of packaging again.

--Yeah, it's a bad idea to buy shrimp that are already packaged. You never know how long the shrimp have been in those bags. The longer they have been in there, the more likely they are to die.

I do hope the two tiger survivors will reproduce some little tigers. I've tried to understand how to tell their gender as mentioned in this website, but I still can't differentiate between male and female.

--It's tough sometimes, especially with immature shrimp. Don't worry about it though....if you do have male and female. then the female will be carrying eggs at some point. If you never see any of them carry eggs, then you probably have animals of the same gender.

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Hi Retardo and all shrimp friends here,

I'm so sorry that I forgot it's illegal to net wild shrimps or fish here in Hong Kong.[/quote]

--That's why they catch them in Guangdong and bring them to Hong Kong. 

Mustafa

edinjapan · Post by **edinjapan** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 9:06 am

beckypyyeung wrote:Thanks a lot Mustafa !

Your website is really great. I bought a bag of ten tiger shrimps last month but they died one by one. I was eager to find out what I should do before the whole batch would pass away. We have a 'fish street' here in Hong Kong but none of them have any reference books on shrimps. Then I tried to look for information from local websites in Chinese. I'm so lucky that I finally come across your website, which is the best one. Now I have two survivors (Tiger). They look healthy and happy.

I remember you mentioned you would like to get some wild shrimps. I've got this piece of information from a Hong Kong website :

Get off at May King Garden in Tsing Yi
Straight ahead to Tsing Yi Technology
10 minutes walk
Then see the second brook
Hundreds of tiny shrimps are in there

Well, that sounds like a treasure map.

ROADTRIP!!!!!!!!! I'm only a coupla hours away!

theshrimp_123 · Post by **theshrimp_123** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 2:10 pm

Yeah!!!!! Im only a couple of thousand miles away. ( IL, USA).

Im laughing now, but i will cry. I will cry.

It sucks to be landlocked. I have no importers or anything. I order online.

God i wish i was in asia.

MrTree · Post by **MrTree** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:57 am

Sorry for late reply, I didn't visit this forum for weeks.

Prof Liang is from Shanghai Fisheries University, as what my friend(his student) told me, he is the authority in China in terms of shrimps. I don't know about him so I can't comment anything.

Flipping through this book, he described Neocaridina denticulata moganica, N.gracilipoda, N.palmata meridionalis, N.p.luodianica, N.bamana, Caridina huananensis, C.zhongshanica, C.babaultioides, C.songtaoensis & C.plicata in this book. The book is in Chinese, but there's an English Key at behind.

I can also see that he raised the Genus Sinodina(1999), Typhlocaridina(1981), Paracaridina(1999), & Mancicaris(1999). One of his earliest paper is

Liang X-Q. 1964. On a new species of Caridina (Crustacea, Decapoda) from Zhejiang, China. Acta Zootaxonomica Sinica, 4(2): 118 - 121.

That's all I can see from the book.

I will be sending some specimen to him soon.

Cheers,
ZH

hwchoy · Post by **hwchoy** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 8:25 am

did you say you're bringing the book to Singapore?

anyway I visited RMBR (Raffles Museum of Biodiversity Research) on Tuesday and met two shrimp researchers. Cai Yi-Xiong who worked on Caridina and an Indonesian lady (didn't get her name yet) who works on Macrobrachium.

I saw in his lab the picture of a Caridina shrimp, apparently very rare and impossible to obtain from the wild. S.H., I agree, that shrimp worth $500

Post by **Mustafa** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 7:30 pm

Hi Zhou Hang!

Glad you're back.

Do you have a title for that book you are talking about? I would like to get it if possible. I can speak and read some chinese and with a dictionary I should be able to work my way through the book.

Just give me the title of the book in either chinese characters or hanyu pinyin.

Take care,
Mustafa

Post by **Mustafa** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 8:07 pm

Hi Heng Wah!

hwchoy wrote:anyway I visited RMBR (Raffles Museum of Biodiversity Research) on Tuesday and met two shrimp researchers. Cai Yi-Xiong who worked on Caridina and an Indonesian lady (didn't get her name yet) who works on Macrobrachium.

--That's awesome!

I envy you. Cai Yixiong has published quite a few articles on Caridina shrimp. Peter Ng (who is the director of that museum I believe) has many publications in that area, too...some co-authored with Cai. The lady you are talking about is probably Daisy Wowor.
You can read some info about them here:

http://rmbr.nus.edu.sg/staff_students/I ... udents.htm

Cai would be a GREAT guy to have on this forum, but I guess he won't have all that much time to participate. You can try to have him identify some of the shrimp that still have not been identified yet (or have him confirm/deny the current IDs). I doubt he'll do it, but it would be great to hear his opinion.

I saw in his lab the picture of a Caridina shrimp, apparently very rare and impossible to obtain from the wild. S.H., I agree, that shrimp worth $500

Did he tell you more about this shrimp? Where is it from? There is are several *awesome* looking shrimp from Sulawesi in Indonesia. Here are two pictures (female and male) of one of them. They are tiny (under 2cm) but look like marine shrimp:

Did the shrimp look anything like the pictures above?

Take care,
Mustafa

TKD · Post by **TKD** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 10:11 pm

Hi all,

Mustafa, are those shrimp in the linked pictures fresh water?
I think you were implying that, but want to make sure.

If there are WHOA!!!!!

TKD

MrTree · Post by **MrTree** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 10:14 pm

Yeah, I will back two copies.

Hello Mustafa,

The title of the book is given earlier. Published by Science Press, http://www.sciencep.com.

Cheers,

hwchoy · Post by **hwchoy** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 12:00 am

Mustafa wrote: --That's awesome! I envy you. Cai Yixiong has published quite a few articles on Caridina shrimp. Peter Ng (who is the director of that museum I believe) has many publications in that area, too...some co-authored with Cai. The lady you are talking about is probably Daisy Wowor.

oh eat your heart out!

I also met Peter Ng, Tan S.H., Darren Yeo, and Tan H.H. plus all the dead specimens in their "downstairs" collection. Nice friendly bunch of people, although Yi-Xiong actually works in St. John's Island on marine crustacea. But I will be bringing them some specimens from time to time.

and the best part they are just a 2-minute drive away from my office.

Mustafa wrote: Did the shrimp look anything like the pictures above?

no, it is a different one, with neon stripes.

beckypyyeung · Post by **beckypyyeung** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 5:58 am

Hi Mustafa,

Let me know when you need any linguistic support. My first language is Chinese.

Becky