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Mustafa wrote:Can you take a picture of the bleached outmacroalgae?
Here is the image of the discolored chaetamorpha, it's actually lighter than in the picture. The top is completely white:
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I noticed this morning that the water is bit cloudy..... Of course..... I was treating with the same bacteria before I added shrimp and now it finally picked it up. Not concerned about it.... The other tank's water turned out to be crystal clear quite quickly, as clear as I have never seen.... It might be clearing up the left over food I was feeding the snails, as I never fed the shrimps on this tank.

The shrimps are doing really well, and so are the snails, none of them are hanging on the top and are behaving totally normal. No hair algae problems either.

Here are some pictures of the other tank, tank #1:
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The light makes the water looks a bit cloudy, but it's not- it's crystal clean. All the shrimp are out. As you can see, the Chaetamorpha are a bit discolored on the top, but not much....
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So, what are your thoughts? Is the macroalgae dead? Id didn't lose its shape or anything.... Am I to toss it or leave it?

Also, I have noticed a brown film on the surface of tank #2. The shrimpies seem to love it, and are filter feeding in it. What's that?
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The brown stuff is just microorganisms growing on the surface. The shrimp will eat them. As for the bleaching macroalgae...just remove the white parts and leave the green parts. It may take a while before your tanks has the right environment for it to grow...and I know I'm repeating myself, but you will have the best chances of that happening if you simply don't treat your tanks with any product or additives anymore, bacterial or not. :D
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Mustafa wrote:The brown stuff is just microorganisms growing on the surface. The shrimp will eat them. As for the bleaching macroalgae...just remove the white parts and leave the green parts. It may take a while before your tanks has the right environment for it to grow...and I know I'm repeating myself, but you will have the best chances of that happening if you simply don't treat your tanks with any product or additives anymore, bacterial or not. :D
Oh, I haven't treated since I had that debacle with tank number 1, a while back.... Long time ago.... So... Yeah, lesson learned big time.
Yes, the shrimp are feeding on the brown stuff, which is why I didn't know if I should take it or not.... And the "cloud" seems to be of the same thing....
I will remove the white parts on the macro algae and leave the green on the tank.
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It couldn't be saved. It was really dead.
While the one on tank #1 felt firm and almost crispy, and held its shape, this one just felt.... Blah. The strands were not firm at all... Just like hair algae... There was no way to separate the green from the white, it was a mess.
I removed it from the tank and harvested some healthy portion from tank #1.
Let's see if it survives the week.
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Ok... I have to vent a little....
I am so disappointed....
I worked so hard to do everything right on this tank.... And everything was great.... Then I come back from a trip and the thing is all messed up.
I didn't feed it... The bacteria I used was just during cycling.... When I left, the chaetamorpha was doing fantastic, and so were all the shrimpies and snails.
And here I am.
The water is cloudy, I can't find ANY of your snails... I think they might be all dead. My nerite snails? Had to transfer them back to the other tank as they were doing horribly.... Not sure if one made it. If it doesnt move it by morning, I will remove it and call is as dead. It was my black racer and my favorite nerite. :(
I can't find the pipipi snails I transferred to the tank.... They can be hiding.... Or most likely dead.
The shrimp are ok.... Feeding a lot on that brown film....
My hermit? I just noticed his she'll is empty. Either he moved, or I have another death on my hands.
I am leaving town tomorrow again....
Either I come back to a total disaster, or to a recovered tank....
Sigh.... :(
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Edit, Hermie and the Black Racer are alive. The Black Racer took quite a while to recover and get moving.... But he finally did... Whew!
The shrimpies are ok.
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Got home last night from a trip to find Tank number 2 worse than ever.
The water is not getting better, is getting cloudier. In fact, you can only see the front of the tank - you can't even see the back of it! There were 7 dead shrimpies that I could find.
The macroalgae is not surviving either. I HAD to do Something!

I installed small air stone on low just to provide some oxygen.
Shoot me dead, but I filled my sponge filter with Purigen, blocking the ends with their micro mesh.... Purigen is NOT a chemical of any kind. Here is the description:

Purigen® is a premium synthetic adsorbent that is unlike any other filtration product. It is not a mixture of ion exchangers or adsorbents, but a unique macro-porous synthetic polymer that removes soluble and insoluble impurities from water at a rate and capacity that exceeds all others by over 500%. Purigen® controls ammonia, nitrites and nitrates by removing nitrogenous organic waste that would otherwise release these harmful compounds. Purigen’s™ impact on trace elements is minimal. It significantly raises redox. It polishes water to unparalleled clarity. Purigen® darkens progressively as it exhausts, and is easily renewed by treating with bleach. Purigen® is designed for both marine and freshwater use.

Purigen® is the highest capacity organic filtration resin on the market. No other products can compare to its ability to clear haziness and polish water to unparalleled clarity. Unlike other products on the market which are simple ion-exchange resins, Purigen® is specifically designed to be an organic scavenging resin. When ion-exchange resins are filled to capacity by metals and other contaminants, Purigen® has barely begun to reach its potential. Purigen® generally ignores simple elemental compounds, having an extreme affinity for nitrogenous organics. The primary source of nitrogenous compounds in an aquarium is waste. Fish, corals, even plants produce nitrogenous waste. Purigen® removes that waste faster and more completely than anything else on the market.

http://www.seachem.com/Products/product ... rigen.html

The reason for me to do this? Removing the organic matter = starving the bacteria to death. That's the plan right now.
I installed the "modified" filter last night, and the water already seems clearer today. At least I can see the back of the tank, which I couldn't last night.

I will not leave it indefinitely, as shrimp does need bacteria, and Purigen prevents algae growth - as soon as the water is clear I will remove it.

Meanwhile I ordered more Chaetamorpha and snails. For now I will put them on my healthy tank (tank #1), which is doing amazing, until this tank recovers. When it does, I will transfer them over.

I took a picture of the tank yesterday, and will be taking daily pictures until the tank clears up. I sure hope it does quickly.
If I find any more dead shrimpies, I am transferring them all to the other tank.
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Hmmm...not sure what's going on there. Ad hoc I'd say that you should remove the hermit crab. Although you feed it outside the tank it still defecates and produces ammonia inside the tank once you put it back. Plus...it probably eats a bunch of detritus here and there. I really don't know what to say besides to just ride it out and not add any more organic matter. The purigen may help temporarily, but the real solution is to just let the tank stabilize. If more shrimp die in the next day or so, do an almost complete water change and start over.
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Mustafa, this is 1/4“ hermit.... Itty bitty.... Poops less than any snail...?
What is an almost complete water change? 80%? 90%?
I will get ready with brackish water from my reef store, I don't have that much...
I suppose there is enough beneficial bacteria on the substrate, yes? Also, will the shrimp come down as the water level drops? Or will they get stuck on rocks, filter, etc?
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80-90% should be good enough. Yes, the shrimp usually follow the water level, but still keep an eye on crevices and similar places. If you perform the water change quickly enough a shrimp caught in a tiny puddle in a rock will be just fine.

Crabs can produce more crap than one would think....
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Mustafa wrote:80-90% should be good enough. Yes, the shrimp usually follow the water level, but still keep an eye on crevices and similar places. If you perform the water change quickly enough a shrimp caught in a tiny puddle in a rock will be just fine.

Crabs can produce more crap than one would think....
OK, I am doing a 20% water change tonight as it's all the brackish I have on me, and tomorrow I do an 80%
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By the way, how is the best method to remove the water quickly enough in such a large water change? When I do changes, I just use the tubes I use for acclimating, which will obviously be too slow, I am afraid.
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I would use a tube/hose (cut to a manageable lengh of course) with some kind of filter sponge attached to the water intake. That's fast enough. It does not have to be instant. Even if it takes 10 minutes to empty the tank, that's good enough.
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Mustafa wrote:I would use a tube/hose (cut to a manageable lengh of course) with some kind of filter sponge attached to the water intake. That's fast enough. It does not have to be instant. Even if it takes 10 minutes to empty the tank, that's good enough.
Thanks Mustafa....
Wow, I think this is one of the most stressful things I have done.... and one of the saddest.... I got the tube, the brackish water and a bunch of chaetamorpha (while I wait for yours from my reef store).
I did a 90% or so water change. Of course the substrate was moved around, so the dust still has to settle. As the water cleared, I kept finding body after body.... lots of little lives lost :cry:
I still have one that is not doing well, and I am pretty sure I will lose him tonight :(

The others are looking well.....
I think out of the 60 I initially put in the tank, I can only count 20, or so..... It's shocking. I should have done this water change a while back. I have no idea what happened here. How it crashed so badly.
I cant't wait for the snails to get here, as I have a feeling there are quite a few shrimp bodies around that I can't find that have to be eaten.
I am still running the Purigen because of that, and will do so until all the shrimp are doing consistently well and the water is crystal clear.

As for tank #1, it's doing amazing. I cleaned the HA today.... I don't think it's ever going to be gone, but it's not taking the tanks anymore.... just small amounts now. The water is as clear as it can be. All creatures as doing well. All snails, all shrimpies. Beautiful beautiful tank. At least I have that one to make me happy now :?
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Ok, sounds good. Now don't do *anything* to the tank for at least a few months. Just let it be until the shrimp are out and about and acting normally. Again, look at how well tooth's "no food" tank has been doing for over 2 years. In a tank like that a crash is simply not going to happen.
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