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Identifying brackish/non-brackish ghost shrimp.

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 2:54 pm
by Brandon
Hey guys! Great site by the way, I'm glad there's finally a website devoted to such an increasing niche in the world of aquariums!

I've kept some ghost shrimp in a couple of my aquariums for quite a while now. Only problem is that they keep dieing after a couple of months. After doing some very extensive research online about a week ago I discovered that they may be dieing during or right after molting due to a calcium/iodine deficiency. My tap water has no measurable hardness at all, so that was my original assumption.

But after a few things I read today, I may have the brackish water ghost shrimp variety. From what I've read, they can live in freshwater, but not for more than a few months. The owner of my LFS claims they are freshwater shrimp and not brackish, but when I asked her what the scientific name was and where their habitat is she said she didn't know and that she wouldn't be able to find out.

Last week I set up a new 10gal tank just for my shrimp to see if I could sustain them and breed them. It has a crushed coral substrate, sponge filter, lots and lots of plants (especially hornwort and anacharis), and I use Kent's Liquid Calcium Concentrate and Kent's Iodine Concentrate every other day. The Ph is high, above 7.8 and the calcium hardness is also pretty high. So I guess if these shrimp start to die within a few months then I know that I've gotten the brackish water species.

If this is the case, do you guys know of an online dealer where I can get FRESHWATER ghost shrimp?

Any information would be helpful, thanks a lot!!
-Brandon.

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 3:57 pm
by Mustafa
Hi Brandon,

Forget about Idodine and all those useless additives from Kent. Go buy yourself a "cuttlebone" (sold for birds to give them calcium) and stick part of it in your tank. It will take care of both hardness, ph and everything else a shrimp needs.

As to your ghost shrimp...it's really hard to tell the freshwater ones apart from the brackish water shrimp. I can't really recommend any online site to you where I am absolutely sure that they have the freshwater variety. It's all luck.

Mustafa
PS: If I ever breed my freshwater ghost shrimp in sufficient number I will offer them online (but don't wait on it)

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 2:02 pm
by Brandon
Thanks for the info Mustafa, I've heard about using cuttle bones before, but it just seemed to easy! I've learned before that the simplest answers are usually the best!

If you do decide to breed ghost shrimp and make them available for order online, please let us know!

Thanks,
Brandon.

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 3:09 pm
by Mustafa
Hi Brandon,

Since you are from Oklahoma, why don't you just go to some river, creek, lake or wetland and catch some Palaemonetes there? The ones in oklahama are *guaranteed* freshwater.

Mustafa

Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 5:43 am
by Brandon
:( Unfortunately the temperature gets waaaaay too cold for them here. In the winter it gets below freezing and most of the rivers/lakes/ponds/creeks freeze over to an extent, so I don't think they could live here.

Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 8:10 am
by Mustafa
Brandon, trust me...there are Palaemonetes kadiakensis and P. paludosus in Oklahoma. They can take the cold without problems.

Read here (pdf document) for information on where (which rivers, creeks) they occur. This list is not exhaustive and I am sure there are more drainages where they live. If you never try to find them, you'll never know.

http://digital.library.okstate.edu/oas/ ... p77_78.pdf

Take care,
Mustafa

Oh my god..

Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 8:24 am
by Brandon
Holy crap!!! :shock:

I had no idea they lived in my area!! I've lived here my whole life and have never seen or heard of them around here!

This is amazing because I'm only about 40 miles from 2 of the largest collection sites in this study! I'm gonna have to go find some.

Thanks Mustafa!! You're a helpful person!

Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 7:31 pm
by Mustafa
I do what I can. :) If you do get to catch some shrimp, post pictures of them here. :)

Mustafa

Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 10:48 am
by Brandon
You bet! :-D

Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 3:37 pm
by renichms
Petshrimp.com wrote:Brandon, trust me...there are Palaemonetes kadiakensis and P. paludosus in Oklahoma. They can take the cold without problems.

Read here (pdf document) for information on where (which rivers, creeks) they occur. This list is not exhaustive and I am sure there are more drainages where they live. If you never try to find them, you'll never know.

http://digital.library.okstate.edu/oas/ ... p77_78.pdf

Take care,
Mustafa
Know any place that has this information for Alabama? I don't live near the coast, so would hope I could catch freshwater Ghost shrimp (and maybe breed them).

RN

Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 8:27 pm
by 51Cornell
I always heard that bait shops (for fishing) often carry ghosts/grass shrimp. Might want to see if you have any bait shops close by and call them.

Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 5:01 am
by renichms
51Cornell wrote:I always heard that bait shops (for fishing) often carry ghosts/grass shrimp. Might want to see if you have any bait shops close by and call them.
Thanks!

RN