can you grade these crs?
I think they're probably a grade C, but in the grading guide it doesnt compare....
can you help me???
bye!
p.s. in italy whe can find all these kind of crs, also coming from germany (it cost 3.5 euro/each one in germany)..
what grade is this?
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what grade is this?
Hello, this is a crs from my friend Corrado (also him italian)....
can you grade these crs?
I think they're probably a grade C, but in the grading guide it doesnt compare....
can you help me???
bye!
p.s. in italy whe can find all these kind of crs, also coming from germany (it cost 3.5 euro/each one in germany)..
can you grade these crs?
I think they're probably a grade C, but in the grading guide it doesnt compare....
can you help me???
bye!
p.s. in italy whe can find all these kind of crs, also coming from germany (it cost 3.5 euro/each one in germany)..
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Ok i understand...here in italy i never saw crs like yours, maybe because in italy people don't like to spend 20 Euro and more for a shrimp....So here we have in most of case only red cherry and white pearl (that cost approx 3 euro)..Mustafa wrote:Nothing sad about it, actually. Crystal red shrimp in general are rare enough in the hobby, even in places like Germany, that a breeding colony of *any* grade is very, very valuable....both to the owner and the hobby.DanHagan wrote:Sadly, it is a very low grade C.
So, what do you think if i "build" a 60 liter tank with these kind of rcs?Maybe i can buy also some rcs with higer grade, so they can improve the general grading of the other crs.....
bye
matteo
Mustafa,
CRS are not as rare in the US as you seem to think they are. I personally know of 10 or more sources and 20 or more private owners. The only reason I say sadly is because if you ask what grade it is, it is obvious that you care what grade it is.
Now, on the other hand, I am a bigger fan of a high A or low S grade than I am of hinumaro or any of they mostly white grades. I am a BIG fan of a 4 white line with deep colors. Best looking shrimp that I own!
CRS are not as rare in the US as you seem to think they are. I personally know of 10 or more sources and 20 or more private owners. The only reason I say sadly is because if you ask what grade it is, it is obvious that you care what grade it is.
Now, on the other hand, I am a bigger fan of a high A or low S grade than I am of hinumaro or any of they mostly white grades. I am a BIG fan of a 4 white line with deep colors. Best looking shrimp that I own!
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Dan,
I think they are as rare as I *know* they are, not just think. 10 sources and 20 owners is rare in my book. Many, if not most, of the "10 sources", especially the commercial ones, get their shrimp from farms in singapore, hong kong or elsewhere in southeast asia. In other words, they are imported shrimp and have the same problems (mortality, quality..etc.) as imported wild-caught shrimp. I have the same access to those sources, I just choose not to utilize them for obvious reasons. As for the 20 owners, that's still rare, considering there are now thousands of people keeping shrimp in the US. Plus, most people who actually post all over the net that they have crystal reds, don't actually get to breed them on a regular basis, if at all, and hence do not have breeding populations. Some get lucky here and there and have a few offspring, but until you can duplicate that success you do not have a breeding population and you are not a breeder. Of those "20+ owners" you will be hard pressed to even find a handful who breed their shrimp regularly. If there were that many people breeding these shrimp, then you would be seeing them offered all over the auction websites by private breeders.
Rest assured that running a website like this I am very well aware of what's going on in the hobby. It's my job to be aware. Crystal red shrimp are so obviously rare that I can't believe I even have to elaborate on why they are rare.
As for the "sadly" issue, someone asking for the grade of his/her shrimp does not necessarily look at the grading as an "inferior-superior" type of classification. I for sure don't. I like all of my crystal reds regardless of grade. "Sadly" implies that you think that the C grade shrimp are somehow inferior. As you yourself stated, you like the A and S better than the even "higher" grade shrimp. Hence, what's inferior or superior is a matter of taste and in the eye of the beholder. There is absolutely nothing sad about a normal crystal red shrimp. I actually like the all-red crystal reds, that have no white at all on them. Those were the highest "grade" and most desired crystal reds in Germany before the japanese grading craze arrived in Germany also (although with limited success).
And lastly, and this is off-topic, one of the forum members sent me a link to another forum where you talked about me as the "shrimp nazi" along with some other sad individuals who got banned from here for good reason and can't get over it. Yet, you still come here and happily post ahead and utilize this forum/website and the information herein for your own benefit/profit (since you try to sell shrimp on your own website...there you go, free advertising!!). Not to mention that you took one of my articles before, slighly changed the wording, put it up on your website without even mentioning the source of the article, making it appear as if you actually came up with that information. Again, it was a forum member who alerted me to the article and it was only after I wrote you an email that you actually mentioned my website as the source. I also remember that you got your start in shrimp keeping by purchasing shrimp from me a few years ago (several times at that). And now, to top it all off and as a reverse "thank you" gesture I guess, you go around other forums and start calling me names like an immature teenager....
Just a tip, where I come from this kind of behavior is called "two-faced." Everyone that joins this forum has a choice to stay or to go. Either you like this forum and stay, or you don't like this forum, me, or something else about this website, and you go. Or you just mooch off information and utilize it, never contribute a thing, but lurk around in the background, and badmouth this forum on other websites, like some others do. It's your choice. I know that everyone, even the badmouthers come here regularly to get the latest information...after all, I get all of their IP addresses every time they visit my website.
On the other hand it's *my* choice to not want people here who actively go around badmouthing me or my website like immature kids. I actually don't ban the IP addresses of most people who do the badmouthing, but when someone comes here and posts like nothing happened and happily continues the badmouthing and name calling elsewhere, then that's just over the top. I just don't want people like that on my website or in my forum.
Many people don't like my directness, but that's fine. I can't please everyone out there, nor do I want to. This is not a popularity contest. I have achieved what I wanted to achieve, namely establish the shrimp hobby in north america, and now I am working on growing it by delivering the right information and squashing myths and hearsay. I just don't think two-faced people are a good thing for the hobby.
Maybe holding a mirror in your face like this will make you aware of what kind of despicable behavior it is to go around calling people names behind their backs, but then go to their "home" (my website) and pretend everything is fine and take advantage of their hospitality.
You don't have to reply to this off-topic part of the post and I actually don't want you to. I just wanted to tell you that I am aware of these things and not oblivious.
If, on the other hand, you reply the way I think you will, then I, of course, reserve the right to just throw you out of my "home" (=IP ban) since I don't tolerate such behavior.
To everyone else, sorry for the *way* off topic part of this post, but some things just have to be said sooner or later.
I think they are as rare as I *know* they are, not just think. 10 sources and 20 owners is rare in my book. Many, if not most, of the "10 sources", especially the commercial ones, get their shrimp from farms in singapore, hong kong or elsewhere in southeast asia. In other words, they are imported shrimp and have the same problems (mortality, quality..etc.) as imported wild-caught shrimp. I have the same access to those sources, I just choose not to utilize them for obvious reasons. As for the 20 owners, that's still rare, considering there are now thousands of people keeping shrimp in the US. Plus, most people who actually post all over the net that they have crystal reds, don't actually get to breed them on a regular basis, if at all, and hence do not have breeding populations. Some get lucky here and there and have a few offspring, but until you can duplicate that success you do not have a breeding population and you are not a breeder. Of those "20+ owners" you will be hard pressed to even find a handful who breed their shrimp regularly. If there were that many people breeding these shrimp, then you would be seeing them offered all over the auction websites by private breeders.
Rest assured that running a website like this I am very well aware of what's going on in the hobby. It's my job to be aware. Crystal red shrimp are so obviously rare that I can't believe I even have to elaborate on why they are rare.
As for the "sadly" issue, someone asking for the grade of his/her shrimp does not necessarily look at the grading as an "inferior-superior" type of classification. I for sure don't. I like all of my crystal reds regardless of grade. "Sadly" implies that you think that the C grade shrimp are somehow inferior. As you yourself stated, you like the A and S better than the even "higher" grade shrimp. Hence, what's inferior or superior is a matter of taste and in the eye of the beholder. There is absolutely nothing sad about a normal crystal red shrimp. I actually like the all-red crystal reds, that have no white at all on them. Those were the highest "grade" and most desired crystal reds in Germany before the japanese grading craze arrived in Germany also (although with limited success).
And lastly, and this is off-topic, one of the forum members sent me a link to another forum where you talked about me as the "shrimp nazi" along with some other sad individuals who got banned from here for good reason and can't get over it. Yet, you still come here and happily post ahead and utilize this forum/website and the information herein for your own benefit/profit (since you try to sell shrimp on your own website...there you go, free advertising!!). Not to mention that you took one of my articles before, slighly changed the wording, put it up on your website without even mentioning the source of the article, making it appear as if you actually came up with that information. Again, it was a forum member who alerted me to the article and it was only after I wrote you an email that you actually mentioned my website as the source. I also remember that you got your start in shrimp keeping by purchasing shrimp from me a few years ago (several times at that). And now, to top it all off and as a reverse "thank you" gesture I guess, you go around other forums and start calling me names like an immature teenager....
Just a tip, where I come from this kind of behavior is called "two-faced." Everyone that joins this forum has a choice to stay or to go. Either you like this forum and stay, or you don't like this forum, me, or something else about this website, and you go. Or you just mooch off information and utilize it, never contribute a thing, but lurk around in the background, and badmouth this forum on other websites, like some others do. It's your choice. I know that everyone, even the badmouthers come here regularly to get the latest information...after all, I get all of their IP addresses every time they visit my website.
On the other hand it's *my* choice to not want people here who actively go around badmouthing me or my website like immature kids. I actually don't ban the IP addresses of most people who do the badmouthing, but when someone comes here and posts like nothing happened and happily continues the badmouthing and name calling elsewhere, then that's just over the top. I just don't want people like that on my website or in my forum.
Many people don't like my directness, but that's fine. I can't please everyone out there, nor do I want to. This is not a popularity contest. I have achieved what I wanted to achieve, namely establish the shrimp hobby in north america, and now I am working on growing it by delivering the right information and squashing myths and hearsay. I just don't think two-faced people are a good thing for the hobby.
Maybe holding a mirror in your face like this will make you aware of what kind of despicable behavior it is to go around calling people names behind their backs, but then go to their "home" (my website) and pretend everything is fine and take advantage of their hospitality.
You don't have to reply to this off-topic part of the post and I actually don't want you to. I just wanted to tell you that I am aware of these things and not oblivious.
If, on the other hand, you reply the way I think you will, then I, of course, reserve the right to just throw you out of my "home" (=IP ban) since I don't tolerate such behavior.
To everyone else, sorry for the *way* off topic part of this post, but some things just have to be said sooner or later.
In reply to the shrimp portion:
I still disagree with you about how "rare" the shrimp are. When I say I know 20 people, that means I personally know them, not know of them. When I think of something that is rare I think more of something like the newer strain of Blue Dwarf Crayfish. I don't know anybody with them, and other than the occasional aquabid auction, I don't know how to get them.
Now on the personal side:
I Do like this website, and the information to be found here. What I don't like is that there is NO disagreeing with the owner. I mean, sure, you know shrimp, but you do not know everything and are not ALLWAYS right.
The thing I disagree with most is when somebody disagrees with you, they get attacked or banned??? Why not allow disagreements because much can be learned from debate!
Now as for the "shrimp nazi" comment. The only time I ever used that comment was in response to somebody else saying it! I did use it myself and in context that you do not allow discussion that is in contradiction to your beliefs. So take it for what you will! And the fact that this thread has gone so FAR off track because I disagreed with how rare a shrimp is just shows what I mean.
I disagree with you, and you try to throw me under the buss! If this gets me banned, so be it, but I have said nothing wrong, done nothing wrong! Just disagreed!
I still disagree with you about how "rare" the shrimp are. When I say I know 20 people, that means I personally know them, not know of them. When I think of something that is rare I think more of something like the newer strain of Blue Dwarf Crayfish. I don't know anybody with them, and other than the occasional aquabid auction, I don't know how to get them.
Now on the personal side:
I Do like this website, and the information to be found here. What I don't like is that there is NO disagreeing with the owner. I mean, sure, you know shrimp, but you do not know everything and are not ALLWAYS right.
The thing I disagree with most is when somebody disagrees with you, they get attacked or banned??? Why not allow disagreements because much can be learned from debate!
Now as for the "shrimp nazi" comment. The only time I ever used that comment was in response to somebody else saying it! I did use it myself and in context that you do not allow discussion that is in contradiction to your beliefs. So take it for what you will! And the fact that this thread has gone so FAR off track because I disagreed with how rare a shrimp is just shows what I mean.
I disagree with you, and you try to throw me under the buss! If this gets me banned, so be it, but I have said nothing wrong, done nothing wrong! Just disagreed!
Dan,
I have never attacked or banned anyone for just disagreeing with me. In fact many of our most prolific posters, including *the* most prolific (badflash), have disagreed with me many times...and that's absolutely ok. As I have said in another thread, we are all learning together. Once you stop learning, you stop progressing. Here is the thread:
viewtopic.php?t=1857
As you can see, disagreements are usually resolved through discussion, not attack.
I only ban people who break the rules here. Most even get a second or third chance after breaking a rule. It is only *your* perception that I attack and ban people for disagreeing, it's not reality.
As for the "shrimp nazi" comment, it does not matter if you used it in a reply to someone who also used it or not, it's immature behavior nontheless to go around namecalling. I did not bring it up here because you disagreed with me. I would have brought it up even if you agreed with me...it just so happened that someone sent me the link to your namecalling thread at that time.
I will not ban you, since you have in fact not broken any rules. However, rule or not, I still reserve the right to not let anyone benefit from the information here who goes around badmouthing me and my website and generally spreading negativity, while coming here to pick up the latest news. So anyone doing this or planning on doing this should be aware of this.
Ok, this off-topic discussion is now closed. The rest of the topic can go on.
I have never attacked or banned anyone for just disagreeing with me. In fact many of our most prolific posters, including *the* most prolific (badflash), have disagreed with me many times...and that's absolutely ok. As I have said in another thread, we are all learning together. Once you stop learning, you stop progressing. Here is the thread:
viewtopic.php?t=1857
As you can see, disagreements are usually resolved through discussion, not attack.
I only ban people who break the rules here. Most even get a second or third chance after breaking a rule. It is only *your* perception that I attack and ban people for disagreeing, it's not reality.
As for the "shrimp nazi" comment, it does not matter if you used it in a reply to someone who also used it or not, it's immature behavior nontheless to go around namecalling. I did not bring it up here because you disagreed with me. I would have brought it up even if you agreed with me...it just so happened that someone sent me the link to your namecalling thread at that time.
I will not ban you, since you have in fact not broken any rules. However, rule or not, I still reserve the right to not let anyone benefit from the information here who goes around badmouthing me and my website and generally spreading negativity, while coming here to pick up the latest news. So anyone doing this or planning on doing this should be aware of this.
Ok, this off-topic discussion is now closed. The rest of the topic can go on.
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yes....i will try to do it..maybe i will put also some crs with B grade (if i will find them)..
I will go "against flow": infact i will use ferts because i know more people here in italy who have crs and other shrimps and have ferts (ada or Seachem) with success from years..So i will try..
I will use Seachem (maybe maybe i will not use seachem Flourish Iron)
But i also will do an experiment: i will put in my 30 litre the cherry that i have now, some oak leaves and java moss....I want to see what will happen..
Please dont say to me" dont use ferts":))))..I think that ferts are dangerous if overdosed..I will stay very very very low..
bye!!!
p.s. when the tank is ok i will post here,,
ppss About he ferts..One intersting things to do would be:
Take two tank(50 liters); put in one ferts and in the other no ferts; put in each one some red crystal and after some months count how many shrimps in each one....When this thing will be done, i will decide definitively if ferts are dangerous or not...
I need scientifical data..
bye!
I will go "against flow": infact i will use ferts because i know more people here in italy who have crs and other shrimps and have ferts (ada or Seachem) with success from years..So i will try..
I will use Seachem (maybe maybe i will not use seachem Flourish Iron)
But i also will do an experiment: i will put in my 30 litre the cherry that i have now, some oak leaves and java moss....I want to see what will happen..
Please dont say to me" dont use ferts":))))..I think that ferts are dangerous if overdosed..I will stay very very very low..
bye!!!
p.s. when the tank is ok i will post here,,
ppss About he ferts..One intersting things to do would be:
Take two tank(50 liters); put in one ferts and in the other no ferts; put in each one some red crystal and after some months count how many shrimps in each one....When this thing will be done, i will decide definitively if ferts are dangerous or not...
I need scientifical data..
bye!