Wild type Shrimp or Selective Bred ?

Newjohn · Post by **Newjohn** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:29 am

I was curious.

Where the interest are of the other members of this Forum.

Are they in the Breeding of the Wild "natural" Shrimp Species ?
Or
Are they in the Breeding of the Selective Bred "Man Made" Shrimp ?

I myself do both.
The selective Breed Color Variation are easier to sell, for they have brighter colors.
These help to fund my real interest.

The breeding of the Wild "forms" of the Species.
They might not have the bright colors, and the appeal of the Selective Breed.
But I find them more interesting. Having something wild in my tanks, and try to find the right conditions to breed them.

I hope as this Hobby grows, That we will be able to identify the different color variations of the same Species, Due to the location of the collection or Country.

Those are my interest.

What are Yours ?

John

zapisto · Post by **zapisto** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 4:24 pm

to be honest with you
my interest now is found shrimp

sorry for this answer, but it is become a big concern.
when i say found shrimp, i have to give more details, found good shrimp, healthy, with the correct name, not hybridize or mix for someone who know what he talking about.

that my chalenge for now.

i have a fish room of 50 tanks and i convert 40% on my tank to shrimp only tank and i cannot fill them , really put any enthousiast down.

but to answer your question in the virtual,
i work with shrimp like i work with fish (work for me mean studie, maintain, breed, propagate)
i concentrate myself on a group
so i choose Dwarf Shrimp .

in the Dwarf Shrimp group i make 3 sub-Cat
cat1 - Larval dev completely suppressed
cat2 - Larval dev short and semi complex
cat3 - Larval dev complete

in my mind for difficulties cat3 > cat2 > cat1
so cat 1 is (again thorically) easiest so i start with this one, when i will be ready will progress to th other

For me clean species (wild or not , but not manipulated) is the one i loved, but i will not refuse any other

Newjohn · Post by **Newjohn** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 4:59 pm

Hi Zapisto

What is the average size of your tanks ?

I am only at 11 Tanks, but, that will soon Change.

I understand what you are saying.
We both have similar concerns and Ideas.

I will have to admit,
You have a better way with words, than I.

The " Found " Shrimp, is a good way to put it.
It is not easy ,to find more than few good sources.

The PM portion of the Forum, is a big help.

Also, that we can post bad experience's.
Keeping only to the facts.

Hopefuly as the demand grows, There will be importers and collectors, who will take better care of these Invert's.

And the Breeders, will not make it a, for profit business only.
Just like the Puppy Mills , did for dogs.

Thank You
For your response

John

YuccaPatrol · Post by **YuccaPatrol** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:01 pm

Some species such as the filter feeding shrimp (Atyopsis moluccensis) have not been bred successfully in captivity. If they have been, we do not have any reliable reports of this.

Considerable effort needs to be put forth to learn how to breed these species in captivity before wild stock is depleted.

When a species, even a "wild" species is bred in captivity over many generations from a very small initial gene pool, these become selectively bred species whether we like to think so or not. This is because shrimp whose genes favor captive conditions will be the ones that reproduce best.

A good example of this is the state of cichlids in the hobby. Wild caught specimins can be very different from inbred and hybridized captive bred specimins.

Ideally, we would be crossing our "selectively bred" shrimp back to their wild types and then re-selecting desirable color traits.

The next best thing would be for us to develop a gene pool exchange program in which we traded specimins with other hobbyists to increase genetic diversity in our isolated populations. . . .

Newjohn · Post by **Newjohn** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:13 pm

YuccaPatrol

A Gene Pool Exchange Program.

That is a great Idea.

I have been keeping a record of, Who I have purchased from and what I have Purchased.

I am trying to get 2 Different colonies, of each species I have.

We will have to Talk more about this.

John

zapisto · Post by **zapisto** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:25 pm

Newjohn wrote:Hi Zapisto

What is the average size of your tanks ?

25 US gallons average

Neonshrimp · Post by **Neonshrimp** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:27 am

i have a fish room of 50 tanks and i convert 40% on my tank to shrimp only tank and i cannot fill them , really put any enthousiast down.

Wow, so 50 tanks at an average size of 25g

that must be one big room or you know how to organize the tank for space saving. I am working towards a fish room, hopefully in the near future

Best wishes with filling your shrimp tanks and hope you find the shrimp you need.

Neonshrimp · Post by **Neonshrimp** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:35 am

The next best thing would be for us to develop a gene pool exchange program in which we traded specimins with other hobbyists to increase genetic diversity in our isolated populations. . . .

I too agree, this is a great idea.

YuccaPatrol · Post by **YuccaPatrol** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:11 am

I'm not sure where we stand with the site rules when it comes to discussing shrimp exchanges for the purpose of improving the hobby rather than improving the weight of our wallets.

At this point, I would think that this would be best done through the PM system. If you are a successful breeder and regular poster here, you probably know the other people here who are the same. These are the ones that would be most likely to be interested, and a quick PM can get the ball rolling.

zapisto · Post by **zapisto** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:24 am

Neonshrimp wrote:
i have a fish room of 50 tanks and i convert 40% on my tank to shrimp only tank and i cannot fill them , really put any enthousiast down.
Wow, so 50 tanks at an average size of 25g that must be one big room or you know how to organize the tank for space saving. I am working towards a fish room, hopefully in the near future Best wishes with filling your shrimp tanks and hope you find the shrimp you need.

actually this room is my second one , i made some improuvement since my first.
but i still have made some big mistake , my next room will be better , and i will not raise the number of tank.
my goal is to raise the confort and the pleasure working in my room.

i have only ONE tank outside this room in the house (wife rules )
what going on in this room is my stuff , and i can do what ever i want , i take a whole rrom of the house for that , on the other side , i promise to have only one tank outside of this room who is a 120G show tank

zapisto · Post by **zapisto** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:24 am

YuccaPatrol wrote:I'm not sure where we stand with the site rules when it comes to discussing shrimp exchanges for the purpose of improving the hobby rather than improving the weight of our wallets.

At this point, I would think that this would be best done through the PM system. If you are a successful breeder and regular poster here, you probably know the other people here who are the same. These are the ones that would be most likely to be interested, and a quick PM can get the ball rolling.

agree

Neonshrimp · Post by **Neonshrimp** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:11 am

zapisto wrote "my goal is to raise the confort and the pleasure working in my room." Best wishes on your improvements and this will also be the goal of my shrimp room.

Yucca thanks again for the tip.

Post by **Mustafa** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:17 am

YuccaPatrol wrote: At this point, I would think that this would be best done through the PM system. If you are a successful breeder and regular poster here, you probably know the other people here who are the same. These are the ones that would be most likely to be interested, and a quick PM can get the ball rolling.

At this point this is the best solution. In the future, once there are quite a few more breeders, I can establish a "hidden" forum, to which only *known* breeders have access. I will determine who is a breeder and who's not. It's usually quite obvious from people's posts. That way we can keep away the commercial people and just have experienced breeders exchanging animals. But the time is not yet ripe for that.

Newjohn · Post by **Newjohn** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:37 am

Mustafa
Thank You.

That is a Great Idea.
I will look forward to that.
In the Furture.

John

The Fisherman · Post by **The Fisherman** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:28 am

Thats a good idea Mustafa, and I look forward to and hope I am a breeder by then!

Perhaps even shrimp population "pedigree" sheets could be made. I am a graphic designer so I would be happy to help with this if people think its a good idea.

Sorry if this is too off-topic, but NewJohn, when you record stuff about your shrimp, what all do you keep track of? Like Type and number of specimen (EX: 2 male and 5 female red cherry shrimp), as well as the name of store/person where purchased?

Thanks!

-John (AKA: The Puffer Ninja)