Cherry/Snowball Hybrid

crow · Post by **crow** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 9:53 am

Anyone done this yet?
I was thinking about getting some Snowball shrimp after I've bred a batch or 2 of cherries.
I saw on the varieties page where it says they will interbreed, just wondering if they produce fertile offspring and any other possible ill effects.

Post by **Mustafa** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 9:33 pm

I have not hybridized my red cherries and snowballs, but I have hybridized different Neocaridina species before and, yes, they do produce fertile offspring. The Neocaridina species seem to be *very* close genetically.

tapmxt1 · Post by **tapmxt1** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:33 am

I am thinking of doing this too. But I have not figured out why I want to do it and why I should do it.

Is there any feature in snowball (or cherry red) that I want to introduce to cherry red (or snowball) ... and therefore get some (possibly) better looking shrimps ... and what is it?

GunmetalBlue · Post by **GunmetalBlue** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 3:00 pm

I'm interested in knowing the results of this too. I'm wondering if the appearance of the offspring would be such that you would be able to tell? Or would they take on the characteristic of one shrimp or the other and not look unusual or "hybrid-looking?"

Also, if anyone has pics or a link of such a hybrid, please post. I'm not personally interested in hybridizing them; rather, I'm curious to know.

Thanks, GB

crow · Post by **crow** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 7:23 pm

I don't know that I would ever have the time or energy to selectively breed these little guys but there are traits in each species, that, when combined, would make for an interesting mix.. How bout nice red cherry shrimp with bright white eggs or possibly a look along the lines of the red/white crystal red shrimp..

edinjapan · Post by **edinjapan** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:53 am

crow wrote:I don't know that I would ever have the time or energy to selectively breed these little guys but there are traits in each species, that, when combined, would make for an interesting mix.. How bout nice red cherry shrimp with bright white eggs or possibly a look along the lines of the red/white crystal red shrimp..

The CRS are opaque whereas the RCS and the Snowball shrimp are not. This would be something entirely different.

Post by **Mustafa** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 9:38 am

Plus, genetics does not quite work that way, where when you cross a white and a red shrimp you end up with a red and white striped shrimp.

It would be great if that were the case, though, since it would make the life of breeders who want new color varitations so much easier.

wood · Post by **wood** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 8:58 pm

Does anyone have pictures of the RCS+Snowball hybrid? Anyone know what the offspring will commonly look like? It would be cool if they would turn orange....

Anyone with experience having these hybrid please let me know. I am interested in getting Snowball Shrimps but I only have a 10 gallon up and running. I could also get one of my 29 gallons up and running to house new Snowballs.

Thanks,

Ryan

RCSGuy · Post by **RCSGuy** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 9:18 pm

What would be the dominant gene? The Red am I right? Possibly you will get some pink shrimp

That would be sweet.

Interesting topic I have been wondering about hybrids too lately.

MAck · Post by **MAck** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:58 am

wood wrote:Does anyone have pictures of the RCS+Snowball hybrid? Anyone know what the offspring will commonly look like? It would be cool if they would turn orange....

My friend from Poland has made such an experiment. This is a result:

looks like a wild form of Noecaridina denticulata sinensis

RCSGuy · Post by **RCSGuy** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 12:02 pm

Wow it looks very beautiful, thank you for sharing!

ToddnBecka · Post by **ToddnBecka** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:08 am

So since the cherry red and snowball shrimp were selectively bred from wild-colored stock, when the two species are interbred the wild color becomes the dominant trait again?
Would the next generation produced by the hybrid shrimp maintain the wild color, or would red and/or white shrimp reappear?

Jose · Post by **Jose** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:21 am

DON'T CROSS !!!

That's my advice.. You will end up with grey/ brownish shrimp with week genes..

A friend of mine did this and the red or the white did never come back.
The colors kept getting worse and she ended up with colorless shrimp who often became sick and died...

What are you going to do when you have a lot of shrimplets of the crosbreeding.. sell it to others? Maybe they cross it too and you will end up with bad genes all over the country..

Please do not do this.. it's bad for the spiecies...
Even when selecting back a color from a crossbreeding.. they have an error in their genes and the brown/grey will allways be seen in the shrimplets..

ToddnBecka · Post by **ToddnBecka** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:33 am

Hmm, crossing the offspring back to one of the original species may have produced stronger shrimp, but what would be the point? No improvement in any case. I'd say it's better to selectively breed a single species for color than to interbreed species in hopes of coming up with something new and different. I have my cherry shrimp and wild-color zhangjiajiensis in separate tanks, and plan to keep it that way. The wild-color shrimp seem quite healthy and productive. I have 3 different size broods growing now, and several berried females working on the next ones.
I spotted a dwarf crayfish molt earlier tonight, and noticed that a couple of its antennae seemed to be moving.

After watching for a minute, a tiny young shrimp swam away from the molt. I was wondering WTF for a minute though...

RCSGuy · Post by **RCSGuy** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:20 am

ToddnBecka wrote: I spotted a dwarf crayfish molt earlier tonight, and noticed that a couple of its antennae seemed to be moving. After watching for a minute, a tiny young shrimp swam away from the molt. I was wondering WTF for a minute though...

lol Awesome

Must've been pretty weird to see a moving molt